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Casey Vock of ILIndoor.com posted an article yesterday talking about NLL expansion. This is the dumbest idea since "Hey, howz about we give fans lap dances at half-time?"

Vock says that "the timing could be right for an expansion team". This comes less than two months after the Boston Blazers shut things down. Right now is just about the worst timing for the league to be thinking about expansion. Since 2006, five new teams have been added; only one (Edmonton) remains. In that same time period, one team has moved, another moved and then failed, and five more teams have vanished. Last year Calgary came close to being removed mid-season; luckily the Flames bailed them out.

There are certainly some stable franchises but the league as a whole hasn't known stability in a quarter-century. Adding new untested markets or or places where the league has already failed will not help that.

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In one paragraph, Vock talks about the "league's growing popularity" and then in the very next paragraph, he lists five teams that have failed within the past few years. He goes on to suggest possible locations, most of which have already failed in the NLL including Washington (failed twice – by the way the Power were in Washington for two years, not one), Baltimore (failed once, plus it's a stone's throw from Washington), and Pittsburgh (failed twice). In fact every city he mentions (in the article; there are extras listed in the poll) except Halifax and Texas have been tried and failed.

You can dream of NLL expansion all you want but let's be realistic. Wherever the league has failed once and tried again (New York, New Jersey, Boston, Washington, Pittsburgh), they've failed the second time as well. Does this mean it can't possibly succeed in markets that have been tried? No, in fact I think Vancouver could work as an NLL city with the right ownership. But you don't go back to a city that's failed (especially if it's failed twice) unless you've done a boatload of market research and you've got ownership that are not only committed to winning but are committed to keeping the team even if they're not winning. "It'd be nice to have a team in <wherever>" is just not enough.

Last year I posted a list of all the team changes in the NLL since 1993. You can now add "2012: Removed Boston" to that, extending the streak to nineteen years. How about some stability in the league before we start talking about adding new teams? Personally, I think that the league needs to keep the same teams in the same cities and see at least stable revenues in most of them for at least two or three years before they should even think about expanding.

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The NLL is no where close to expanding. They won’t for some time unless they act as stupid as they are.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Oct 26, 2011 2:56 PM EDT reply actions  

I am not as against expansion as some other are here.

First, the fees paid for expansion teams go to the owners of the current franchises. Unlike in some sports where the owners are basically printing money, these guys are putting it out there to support a growing sport and taking financial risk to do so. I don’t begrudge them any source of revenue.

Second, there is no poaching between markets. New teams do not weaken the other teams.

Third, if one of the older teams fails, it will be way better to have existing expansion teams in place, building their markets as opposed to trying to move teams in order to keep the franchise numbers up to a level for a sustainable league.

This last factor is doubly important in the NLL when a teams roster might be geographically based and you may not be able to move the roster to a new location.

That being said, I would also enjoy it more as a fan if the league was stable for a while. I just recognize some reasons why that might not happen.

by CalTach on Oct 26, 2011 6:02 PM EDT reply actions  

The problem is, the owners can’t afford the costs. Then more teams fold. Why not wait till all the teams are established and won’t fold?

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by Marisa Ingemi on Oct 26, 2011 6:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I don’t see how adding teams changes the costs for the existing teams. Maybe if you add a little travel cost going to Florida or California or something. I doubt 1 or even 2 more teams would up the bidding on player costs materially.

Nor do I see how playing more seasons with the current teams allow those teams to become “more stable”.

Plus, at what point is a team a “success”. I think we can all agree that one or two seasons is a failure, but what about 4. The Rush are the newest team in the league and are now five years old (not including the move by San Jose to Everett).

And another team is 20 more jobs for lacrosse players, even if it is only one season.

Again, I get from a fan’s perspective it can be a bit frustrating for teams to come and go and move etc. That is life in small time pro sports. Wait another year before expanding? Sure, the economy sucks. After that though – why wait?

by CalTach on Oct 27, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

It adds coasts for the new team

and then the new team doesn’t make a profit for some years, and the owner gives up and the team folds.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Oct 27, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

But how does the “stability” of the existing teams increase the likelihood of the new teams to succeed?

Imagine two hypotheticals. Hypothetical 1, the NLL adds a new team in 2013. Hypothetical 2, the NLL doesn’t add any new teams until 2017, and between 2012 and 2017 no teams, fold or move and the league stays stable for those 5 seasons. Then adds a new team in the same market as in Hypothetical 1.

Your theory is that the expansion team in Hypothetical 2 has a greater likelihood to succeed and stick around for more seasons. Why? I don’t see why it makes any difference at all. Except that we as fans enjoy those 5 seasons without having to hear about financial troubles in a new team, expansion drafts etc.

by CalTach on Oct 27, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because in those 5 years

the league can establish those teams and get them well known through TV contracts, extended media etc. Then you add more teams into the mix when you know that no teams will fold.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Oct 27, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

If there is material league wide revenue that is divided up amongst the teams in the league, then I agree that is a very good reason for keeping the league steady until those revenues can support the existing teams.

I suspect that if there is such revenue, that it is marginal. I bet most revenue is gate driven (ticket prices, concessions, parking) or local in nature (TV revenue such as the Rock’s TSN2 deal, merchandising) such that additional teams would not reduce the revenue’s received by existing teams in any material way.

by CalTach on Oct 27, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

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